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zwei2stein · Sep 16, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

You know what will happen don't you ? it's called wiki, but then at least your looking at the bar even if for only a moment, personally I read all the skills get a clue how it's supposed to work and then decide if that will work for me, if all those checks and balances are fine then I keep it else I modify it accordingly.

You need to know about wiki. And you need to use it, and need to know how to filter bad builds.

Your average "PUG" does not know how about PvX wiki and does not have judgment to filter out terribad stuff. And he has to decide to use it instead of being pwetty snowflake. And they can always mod build to be worse.

Even skill unlocks are not that easy: it would cost 64k and some skillcaping for elites at trainer to get one teambuild. Skillpacks are not exactly cheap either. Sure, you get tons of skills free with heroes and there is a lot of low hanging fruit that can be unlocked fact and cheap, but they are not always what you want to use.

Armor upgrades, Weapons, etc, lack of unlocks and thus lack of flexibility ...

Average "Johny pugger" is better of pugging.

Shadow · Sep 16, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

If there were 7 heros, it wouldn't change my play style. I still never party with people. What's wrong with me?

Inner Salbat · Sep 16, 2008, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by Shadow

If there were 7 heros, it wouldn't change my play style. I still never party with people. What's wrong with me?

Ask Dr. Phil otherwise known as DJRyder he seams to know what is wrong with everyone

DreamWind · Sep 16, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

I actualy find JDRyder quite entertaining! Even more crazy I agree with some of his points.

Inner Salbat · Sep 16, 2008, 08:15 AM // 08:15

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I actualy find JDRyder quite entertaining! Even more crazy I agree with some of his points.

I wouldn't know I've had him on ignore for quote awhile now so I don't see the drivel he writes even if it is entertaining, not that I mind differing points of view but at least back them up with some sort of reasonable conclusions that are at least hard to break.

I'm even more convinced 2 weeks ago they released MOX right? guess what the Honor Hill is now devoid of almost a single person everyone rushed it ASAP now there is no one to PuG that with and that is a NEW quest.

JDRyder · Sep 16, 2008, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I actualy find JDRyder quite entertaining! Even more crazy I agree with some of his points.

i lol'ed irl, to bad im not getting payed for this D:

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

I wouldn't know I've had him on ignore for quote awhile now so I don't see the drivel he writes even if it is entertaining, not that I mind differing points of view but at least back them up with some sort of reasonable conclusions that are at least hard to break.

no, if some 1 does not think 100% like you, you will disagree and mute them

plus, who talks about people when they have them muted :P,

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

I'm even more convinced 2 weeks ago they released MOX right? guess what the Honor Hill is now devoid of almost a single person everyone rushed it ASAP now there is no one to PuG that with and that is a NEW quest.

Mox helps my points, and its already old to some people.

tmr819 · Sep 16, 2008, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

Ask Dr. Phil otherwise known as DJRyder he seams to know what is wrong with everyone

Well, if you have him on ignore, how are you ever going to get well?

I find JDRyder's points interesting and sometimes I agree with him (her?), too -- but I still want my seven heroes, just for the fun they would provide.

New hero Mox? Well, ok. That's sorta nice, ANet, I guess, except that if I only get to bring three heroes with me, a derv (or assassin) is gonna be just about my last choice, frankly -- however cool he looks.

Inner Salbat · Sep 16, 2008, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by tmr819

Well, if you have him on ignore, how are you ever going to get well?

New hero Mox? Well, ok. That's sorta nice, ANet, I guess, except that if I only get to bring three heroes with me, a derv (or assassin) is gonna be just about my last choice, frankly -- however cool he looks.

That is what makes me think there is something there not telling us.

ignoring thing well when I was replying to him the posts where getting more heated with each post, I could have choose to either drag the conversation down into verbal abuse and utterly derail the thread or I could ignore him I didn't ignore him just on differents of opinion alone, the fastest way to earn my ignore is to not at least meet half way on an argument to dogmatically state that your opinion arrogantly rules and mine is of no value or too drive me to that impression.

My guess is that if I and he where the only ones playing the game he'd have a completely different point of view entirely, because I certainly would not party with him.

zwei2stein · Sep 16, 2008, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

Mox helps my points, and its already old to some people.

Yes, MOX indeed does help you with your point as last step of quest chain required said hero in party to complete.

Just like other quests and missions that require hero in party and automatically out-compete human in party on that slot because you must have them to proceed.

Which is the only objective reason to choose hero over human.

Inner Salbat · Sep 16, 2008, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Which is the only objective reason to choose hero over human.

Now that you see is where the plot thickens, I dislike having to replace human slots with mandatory heroes to complete a mission or quest, I want to play it my way with my selections be that with 7 heros, 7 people, or any mixture of them I do not want to handicap myself with known heroes that have broken AI.

Amy Awien · Sep 16, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by tmr819

I find JDRyder's points interesting and sometimes I agree with him (her?), too

I had him on ignore before this thread and out of curiosity removed his listing. He may have some points but it's just too bad that he can never listen to what others have to say, except for the parts that he uses to attack their viewpoints on. He'll never accept anything besides his own truth.

Amy Awien · Sep 16, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Which is the only objective reason to choose hero over human.

There are no objective reasons, only preferences. As long as you (and Ryder) do not see this and keep qualifying your own view as the only, objective and reasonable view, while thereby attempting to disqualify any other views and opinions, the debate will never end, you will never understand others and they will not be inclined to listen to you either.

Snow Bunny · Sep 16, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

7 heroes are good for the occasional "oh well my friends aren't on and I'm bored", or for PvPers that can't make friends.

But seriously, why do you all need so many heroes? Isn't Guild Wars all about doing shit with your Guilds, or at least your friends??

Inner Salbat · Sep 16, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

There are no objective reasons, only preferences. As long as you (and Ryder) do not see this and keep qualifying your own view as the only, objective and reasonable view, while thereby attempting to disqualify any other views and opinions, the debate will never end, you will never understand others and they will not be inclined to listen to you either.

That's what I was trying to say thank you.

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

7 heroes are good for the occasional "oh well my friends aren't on and I'm bored", or for PvPers that can't make friends.

But seriously, why do you all need so many heroes? Isn't Guild Wars all about doing shit with your Guilds, or at least your friends??

Can't speak for everyone here but my guild/friends that I used to do so much with have gone some return now and then but they have there own things they come on for, make new friends I just don't feel like it because I don't want the depression of seeing them 6 months later offline and not playing.

JDRyder · Sep 16, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

There are no objective reasons, only preferences. As long as you (and Ryder) do not see this and keep qualifying your own view as the only, objective and reasonable view, while thereby attempting to disqualify any other views and opinions, the debate will never end, you will never understand others and they will not be inclined to listen to you either.

whats not to get about people not wanting to play with other players cause they think they are to good for others?

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

Can't speak for everyone here but my guild/friends that I used to do so much with have gone some return now and then but they have there own things they come on for, make new friends I just don't feel like it because I don't want the depression of seeing them 6 months later offline and not playing.

by that logic, we need to remove all heros from game cause im to lazy to add them to my party.

o yea, yay for people h8ing on the internets

Amy Awien · Sep 16, 2008, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

whats not to get about people not wanting to play with other players cause they think they are to good for others?

You see, you haven't read a single post and keep holding on and repeating whatever it is that goes on in your own mind. That's why it's a pointless waste of time to try to have a dialog or discussion with you.

JDRyder · Sep 16, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

You see, you haven't read a single post and keep holding on and repeating whatever it is that goes on in your own mind. That's why it's a pointless waste of time to try to have a dialog or discussion with you.

no its cause thats what your saying, "pugs are bad and cause they are bad you dont want to play with them."

Targren · Sep 16, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

I dont think any1 looked at the GW box and saw "play alone" and thats what made you buy the game.

*Raises hand*

I quit WoW because I hated my gaming experience being dependent on other people. I bought GW because it promised otherwise. So you think wrong.

JDRyder · Sep 16, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Targren

*Raises hand*

I quit WoW because I hated my gaming experience being dependent on other people. I bought GW because it promised otherwise. So you think wrong.

*tells to put hand down* why cant you go solo now? how is not having 7heros stopping you

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Can't speak for WoW completely, but on my experience with it you could solo most content from what I've seen.

same now that i think about it, other than the raids and stuff that were made for groups of people "like DoA in GW" you dont really need people to do most of the quest etc in WoW.

Tyla · Sep 16, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Targren

*Raises hand*

I quit WoW because I hated my gaming experience being dependent on other people. I bought GW because it promised otherwise. So you think wrong.

Can't speak for WoW completely, but on my experience with it you could solo most content from what I've seen.

I do believe that the hero need should be removed though, such as a few Nightfall missions, Xandra and Kahma, and M.O.X. Sometimes you do get full human parties, but you'll have to exclude someone because of the hero need.

There is no need for 7 heroes, but it is something nice. 3 heroes is also nice, and so are henchmen. These are not necessities, and nor are PvE skills either, so why not remove them? Human parties will always be more fun than H/H parties in the first place (Heck, single player games are so friggin' boring to me.) and I am not denying that you need anything. PvE is mostly easy, so why not just remove everything we don't need? I'd like to see 7 heroes just so I could steamroll everything without the need for parties at times I can't get anyone to come, but it's also not necessary. As far as I can see it only holds good if it gets implimented.